In this episode the Shaman is joined by his grandfather to discuss the effects of psychedelics and other chemistry on the mind’s ability to create enough focus to loosen it’s grip on our consciousness enough to step outside the physical realm. They discuss the difference between these ecstatic states or the next step beyond the dream state of consciousness control. We discuss the ability of our consciousness to create enough focus to loosen the tight grip our physical mind attempts to maintain throughout our physical lifetime. Yes, there is a whole universe out there to discover, but no, you don’t need drugs to see it.